. >> ben, even if u look at action taken by the medical device makers, there's already damage that's been done by the tax increases built into this health ce law, has it got? >> well, the damage is built in, but on the other hand good built into, too. there are people who are very poor who won't be able to get health insurance and not ry, between medicaid and middle class and we'll be able to get health insurance, or some, ovell, obviously, i don't like the bill. i don't think any sensible person would like the obamacare bill. but x increases are a fac of life. that's the story, tax increases under mr. bush and surpluses der mr. clinton tax increases as far as the eye can see under mr. obama. >> when do the spending cuts happen, sarah? >> never. >> and you often see the tax increases kick in and in the health care law, and spending never gets cut. >> i think you need to look where the spending goes, provide preventive care. and we saw 80 million access preventative care and that's a net savings for the entire health care system passed on to all of us. >> how have job cuts we've seen